My year started with me making a guest post on Steve Wheeler's award winning blog which can be accessed at "Wisdom of Clouds". By the end of January, there had been a huge number of visits to the post on Steve's and my blog. This spurred a healthy debate which I analyse in another post -Cloudy with a chance of change!. The debate also highlighted this formal and informal divide once again.
Maybe Graham Atwell misunderstood my stance on PLEs and to clear that I tweeted this on the 24rth of January:
I am not against the concept of #PLEs, in fact they are gr8 for lifelong learning: commented on @GrahamAttwell blog-post http://bit.ly/4quEEW
my only concern is about when people come to universities do they already have a #PLE, does our VLE/LMS/CMS encourage creation of PLEs? 11:43 PM Jan 24th
are PLEs easily integrated within formal education? 11:44 PM Jan 24th from TweetDeck
why do we want to separate formal and informal learning? when we all know learning knows no boundary 11:44 PM Jan 24th
As it happens on twitter, this started a discussion between a few of us who were up that late and joined in:
nlafferty: @manmalik they maybe don't have a #PLE when they come at the moment but another year or two or three and I think they will
me: @ all the more a reason for our VLEs to change and become more "open" as @ would add :)
nlafferty:@manmalik I agree they should be more open, do you think current VLEs are really learning environments or admin/management environment envt?
me: @ I think they R gd as LMS/CMS & thr is potential 4 these 2 provide formal learning but not informal-not obvious atleast
:@manmalik once you integrate informal learning, it becomes formal learning. You can't plan or design informal learning.
:@manmalik once integrated they are no longer PLEs. You can add institutional systems to your PLE, but not the other way.
me:@ re planning informal...I think U can collect stats on wht R the most commonly used informal ways students learn & integr8 some
creativetallis: @jamesclay @manmalik No, but you can help to create conditions in which it thrives
me:@ I do like wht U said abt both informal & PLEs...however there R ways 2 include & benefit from some informal approaches
nlafferty: @manmalik LMS/CMS can deliver learning content & some tools can support formal learning - I'm interested in what students think of VLEs tho'
nlafferty: @manmalik I'm using VLE as teacher & student - as a student I would say my learning is happening in my PLE. Agree with @jamesclay comments
me:@ a PLE is gr8 for life-long learning, I take it you are a one :)
nlafferty: @manmalik Yep, at least like to think of myself as one, partly why think important for students not just to use VLE but to develop their PLE
nlafferty: @manmalik Maybe #CLE will speed up, interesting that OU have opted for google apps
me:@ exactly my point, students need to develop a they do not always have one, a introduces will perhaps speed this up :)
me:@ re: adding instl syst 2 & not the other way: I think if u have a U cn add PLE 2 an institutional too, nt with
: @creativetallis @manmalik exactly
:@manmalik as soon as you include it it becomes formal. Create environments for informal, but you can't make informal happen.
I am looking for some answers.
- Is mixing a PLE with the institutional system a one way process ("You can add institutional systems to your PLE, but not the other way")? Or is this just a technical limitation of PLEs and existing Institutional systems (LMS/CMS/VLEs)?
- Is it true that educational institutions can just facilitate/create environments for informal learning and not make it happen?
- Is there a grey area between the formal and informal that needs attention of the academics? Especially with online learning environments and tools.
Some more interesting read on this I found through @C4lpt http://goodpractice.com/blog/planning-to-implement-informal-learning/
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